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Created by Edward Downer on June 6, 2006, 11:45 am

Dear Disney Pictures,


We ask that you support the HD DVD Hi Definition disc by releasing titles to this format.


While we understand that you initially decided to support Bluray exclusively, the situation today is significantly different than promised a year ago.


HD DVD has successfully launched to market, but we believe that Bluray still has grave problems to overcome.


Given this situation, we feel you may lose sales if you only support Bluray.



1) HD_DVD players have shipped earlier (April 15th 2006) and are available at a much lower price ($500, vs $1,000 to $1,800 for Bluray players). This will ensure rapid adoption. Tens of thousands of players have already been sold and hundreds of thousands of movie titles have been purchased. The vast majority of users are pleased with their players. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670945


2) HD DVD delivers tremendous quality. The majority of the releases have been on 30 Gig Dual Layer discs, encoded in the VC1 video codec. Video and audio quality has surpassed even D-Theater tapes.


3) Conversely, Bluray does not seem to have solved some key manufacturing problems for Dual Layer discs yet, and will be launching their format, in June or July, on single-layer 25 Gig discs. Worse, they apparently will launch using Mpeg 2 on this smaller disc. We believe these factors may result in poorer Bluray quality at launch than HD DVD discs. Therefore, some users have chosen to buy only 1st Gen HD DVD players, but not 1st Gen Bluray players. Sony has stated that they feel 18 Mbps is the best data rate to run Mpeg 2 at http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1441&page_number=2


4) Online posts indicate that the first Bluray Single-disc releases may only be 20 Gigs, as they have reduced the size of the data layer, to reduce read problems at the outer edges of the disc and increase production yields. http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/10/22837/


5) It is said in some forums that production yields on Bluray Single Layer discs may be only 33% to 50%. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7707846&&#post7707846 For Dual-Layer BD ROMs, it is said that the rejection rates in manufacture are currently between 60% and 75%. http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/4/emw377427.htm and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7667705&&#post7667705


6) HD DVD player specifications mandate the inclusion of decoders for some of the newest “Advanced Audio Codecs”. As a result, HD DVD players include decoders for Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and Dolby True HD (DTHD). They also include the ability to extract DTS streams from the new DTS-HD format. Therefore, HD DVD owners and users can enjoy advanced audio content of HD DVD releases on their home systems today, via HDMI, ****og and even SPDIF optical/coax (via legacy DTS recoding).


7) Conversely, Bluray player specifications do not require onboard decoders for these audio standards, instead only requiring legacy DD and DTS support. Therefore owners and users of 1st Gen Bluray players may not be able to enjoy these audio formats. Nor can these advanced audio streams be output from the first generation Bluray players to an external AVR for decoding, since these players do not have HDMI 1.3 connectors, which are required.


8) The upscaling of regular Standard Definition (SD) DVDs in these first HD DVD players has proven to be stunning. Many users are now buying the HD DVD players for that reason, so that they can continue to make the best of their existing SD DVD libraries until they have HD DVD libraries. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=672983&page=1&pp=30


9) In a poll taken before the HD DVD launch, potential DVD buyers expressed a strong interest in Hi Def players as their next purchase http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801


10) In addition, the audio circuits of the players appear to up-sample standard audio formats to 96/24, which provides great sound from CDs and DVDs also.


11) Conversely, not much is yet known about the legacy capabilities of the 1st Gen Bluray players, but it has been said on a few Audio Visual Forums that some cannot read standard CDs, including, apparently, Sony's. It is known from polls online that CD playback is important to prospective buyers of these players http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801


12) HD DVD has proven that they can produce “Hybrid” discs that have both HD DVD and SD DVD versions of the movies. This format is desired by consumers, according to a poll on a major A/V forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=660189


13) Conversely, Bluray has not been able to successfully manufacture a hybrid disc, and at least one company, JVC, is reported to have given up on their efforts to achieve this. It seems to remain a specification that only exists in theory, not practice.


14) According to a recent poll, buyers and potential buyers of both Hi Definition Disc formats, have mostly chosen to go with HD DVD in the first generation. Even where buyers are choosing to buy 1st Gen players from both formats, most are choosing to buy mainly HD DVD titles where possible, due to concerns about the quality of Mpeg 2 releases on smaller Bluray discs. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=677878&page=1&pp=30


15) Sony had assured many users that Bluray would be the better format and that it would win the format war on this count. We feel it has not delivered on the promise.




We ask that you re-consider your decision to support only one format and add support for the HD DVD format to your announced releases

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1,209 14 Mar 2008 - 20:35    brent : HD is the way blu-ray is Gay
1,208 17 Feb 2008 - 8:48    Marco Moscatiello : HD-DVD has the best quality and the lower price!!! Why death???
1,207 14 Feb 2008 - 18:07    Randy Rhoades :
1,206 12 Feb 2008 - 21:56    William Hamann : I have bought, do buy, and will continue to buy ONLY HD-DVD as it is the format that is TRULY best for the consumer. I just purchased a stand alone HD-DVD player today from Toshiba to work alongside my x-box 360 add-on. Will send a proof of purchase if requested!
1,205 12 Feb 2008 - 4:44    Brian Lichtman :
1,204 10 Feb 2008 - 2:13    Jon Delaney :
1,203 8 Feb 2008 - 15:30    Steven Compton : I have and will continue to purchase HD DVD movies, I will never purchase a BluRay disc. If HD DVD goes away, I will simple go back to regular DVDs and let my HD dvd player upscale them
1,202 31 Jan 2008 - 1:14    Felipe Maldonado :
1,201 29 Jan 2008 - 17:21    Beau Johnson : Sony is a greedy money hungry, bottom dollar company. Not to mention the PS3 was a complete failure and the Wii and xbox 360 are HD supporters.
1,200 28 Jan 2008 - 17:04    Claude Boily : HD DVD has an interactive standard that is availaible since day one. The new profil 1.1 on third generation only with blu-ray to match the performance of HD DVD. By moving to Blu-ray only Warner is saying to us HD DVD owner that they don't care and we are not in the balance. The fact that they were neutral was good for both format and for costumers HD DVD must survive and all studio should make their movies in both format period no more exclusivity this is what kill the HD format
1,199 28 Jan 2008 - 8:06    Simon Stiphanos :
1,198 23 Jan 2008 - 7:26    Giuseppe :
1,197 23 Jan 2008 - 5:34    Nick :
1,196 23 Jan 2008 - 4:56    Thomas D. Coleman :
1,195 23 Jan 2008 - 0:13    Nick Tabakis :
1,194 22 Jan 2008 - 22:17    Tim Hoffelt :
1,193 22 Jan 2008 - 19:40    Andrew K :
1,192 22 Jan 2008 - 19:26    beau mundus : blu-ray is for gamers not the videophile
1,191 22 Jan 2008 - 16:05    Scott Wouwenaar :
1,190 22 Jan 2008 - 0:15    francis shanahan :
1,189 20 Jan 2008 - 12:16    Steve :
1,188 19 Jan 2008 - 22:25    hagun hdez : cuz i just love disney movies
1,187 19 Jan 2008 - 19:18    sam hughes :
1,186 19 Jan 2008 - 11:30    N.Martin : It's a disgrace that corruption is deciding this war and not the consumer.sony controlling all content, is the same as having a fox in charge of the hen house!
1,185 18 Jan 2008 - 22:19    uwe : Please look at the quality and ease with which HD DVD players play HDM.please support this terriffic format coz i know i will keep buying HD DVD's
1,184 18 Jan 2008 - 17:53    Jeroen Wiesener : Please let the consumer choose!
1,183 17 Jan 2008 - 1:38    Chris P :
1,182 16 Jan 2008 - 19:16    Chris De Raimo :
1,181 15 Jan 2008 - 20:39    Nick Pietryga :
1,180 15 Jan 2008 - 19:13    Michael Adjodha :
1,179 15 Jan 2008 - 16:47    Laurent Martin : I'm sure Walt would not have accepted money from Sony...
1,178 14 Jan 2008 - 2:31    Ryan Groom : HD-DVD is a great format.
1,177 10 Jan 2008 - 5:21    O.Higgs MD : TO THE COMPANIES THAT ARE BACKING BLU-RAY, PLEASE STOP SELLING YOUR SOULS FOR MONEY!! YOU ARE HURTING US!! HD-DVD IS THE BEST CHOICE OUT THERE, YOU WENT AND ALIGNED YOURSELF WITH SONY = THE EVIL EMPIRED WHO HAVE
1,176 10 Jan 2008 - 4:42    Mike : HD-DVD for the Win!
1,175 10 Jan 2008 - 1:11    Chris Hanson :
1,174 9 Jan 2008 - 23:38    Dennis Anderson : I can not see the point in loosing one third of the market. HD DVD is a finished format and BlueRay is going to take at least another 9 months finish... if it is then.
1,173 8 Jan 2008 - 21:11    Jeff Wilcon :
1,172 7 Jan 2008 - 22:40    zmed :
1,171 5 Jan 2008 - 15:35    Seth DuBois :
1,170 4 Jan 2008 - 6:38    Peter M Parker :
1,169 3 Jan 2008 - 7:50    Tara f : hd-dvd will win this war! be on the right side!
1,168 2 Jan 2008 - 22:11    Jake :
1,167 2 Jan 2008 - 12:17    Scott Swingle : Format neutrality!
1,166 1 Jan 2008 - 20:39    Scott :
1,165 29 Dec 2007 - 23:29    Eric A : Don't hold back. Give us hd-dvd!
1,164 29 Dec 2007 - 23:13    Eric A :
1,163 28 Dec 2007 - 21:32    grant kauno :
1,162 28 Dec 2007 - 17:26    Lawson Culver :
1,161 26 Dec 2007 - 20:52    Craig Coen :
1,160 21 Dec 2007 - 23:08    Frederick Jones :
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