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Created by Edward Downer on May 31, 2006, 2:05 pm

Dear 20th Century Fox:

We write to ask that you support the HD DVD Hi Definition disc by releasing titles to this format.

While we understand that you initially decided to support Bluray exclusively, the situation today is significantly different than promised a year ago.

HD DVD has successfully launched to market, but we believe that Bluray still has serious technical issues to overcome which will impede its success.

Given this situation, we feel you may lose sales if you only support Bluray, as there are many HD DVD owners who would like to buy your movies on HD DVD now.


1) HD_DVD players have shipped earlier (April 15th 2006) and are available at a much lower price ($500, vs $1,000 to $1,800 for Bluray players). This will ensure rapid adoption. Tens of thousands of players have already been sold and hundreds of thousands of movie titles have been purchased. The vast majority of users are pleased with their players. [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670945[/URL]


2) HD DVD has delivered tremendous quality. The majority of the releases have been on 30 Gig Dual Layer discs, encoded in the VC1 video codec. Video and audio quality has surpassed even D-Theater tapes.


3) Conversely, Bluray does not seem to have solved some key manufacturing problems for Dual Layer discs yet, and will be launching their format, in June or July, on single-layer 25 Gig discs. Worse, they apparently will launch using Mpeg 2 on this smaller disc. We believe these factors may result in poorer Bluray quality at launch than HD DVD discs. Therefore, some users have chosen to buy only 1st Gen HD DVD players, but not 1st Gen Bluray players. Sony has stated that they feel 18 Mbps is the best data rate to run Mpeg 2 at [URL]http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1441&page_number=2[/URL]


4) Online posts indicate that the first Bluray Single-disc releases may only be 20 Gigs, as they have possibly reduced the size of the data layer, to reduce read problems at the outer edges of the disc and increase production yields. [URL]http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/10/22837/[/URL]


5) It is said in some forums that production yields on Bluray Single Layer discs may be only 33% to 50%. [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7707846&&#post7707846[/URL] For Dual-Layer BD ROMs, it is said that the rejection rates in manufacture may currently be between 60% and 75%. [URL]http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/4/emw377427.htm and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7667705&&#post7667705[/URL]


6) HD DVD player specifications mandate the inclusion of decoders for some of the newest “Advanced Audio Codecs”. As a result, HD DVD players include decoders for Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and Dolby True HD (DTHD). They also include the ability to extract DTS streams from the new DTS-HD format. Therefore, HD DVD owners and users can enjoy advanced audio content of HD DVD releases on their home systems today, via HDMI, ****og and even SPDIF optical/coax (via legacy DTS recoding).


7) Conversely, Bluray player specifications do not require onboard decoders for these audio standards, instead only requiring legacy DD and DTS support. Therefore owners and users of 1st Gen Bluray players may not be able to enjoy these audio formats. Nor can these advanced audio streams be output from the first generation Bluray players to an external AVR for decoding, since these players do not have HDMI 1.3 connectors, which are required. The use of L-PCM uncompressed audio tracks to compensate for this short-sightedness may only serve to eliminate the space advantage that the format may enjoy in the future, and also may put pressure on the video quality, both now and later.


8) The upscaling of regular Standard Definition (SD) DVDs in these first HD DVD players has proven to be stunning. Many users are now buying the HD DVD players for that reason, so that they can continue to make the best of their existing SD DVD libraries until they have HD DVD libraries. [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=672983&page=1&pp=30[/URL]


9) In a poll taken before the HD DVD launch, potential DVD buyers expressed a strong interest in Hi Def players as their next purchase [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801[/URL]


10) In addition, the audio circuits of the players appear to up-sample standard audio formats to 96/24, which provides great sound from CDs and DVDs also, and has added more impetus to the purchase of HD DVD players by early adopters today.


11) Conversely, not much is yet known about the legacy capabilities of the 1st Gen Bluray players, but it has been said on a few Audio Visual Forums that some cannot read standard CDs, including, apparently, Sony's own player. It is known from polls online that CD playback is important to prospective buyers of these players [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801[/URL]


12) HD DVD has proven that they can produce “Hybrid” discs that have both HD DVD and SD DVD versions of the movies. This format is desired by consumers, according to a poll on a major A/V forum [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=660189[/URL]


13) Conversely, Bluray has not been able to successfully manufacture a hybrid disc, and at least one company, JVC, is reported to have given up on their efforts to achieve this. It seems to remain a specification that only exists in theory, not practice.


14) According to a recent poll, buyers and potential buyers of both Hi Definition Disc formats, have mostly chosen to go with HD DVD in the first generation. Even where buyers are choosing to buy 1st Gen players from both formats, most are choosing to buy mainly HD DVD titles where possible, due to concerns about the quality of Mpeg 2 releases on smaller Bluray discs. [URL]http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=677878&page=1&pp=30[/URL]


15) Sony had assured many users that Bluray would be the better format and that it would win the format war on this count. We feel it has not delivered on that promise and do not wish the release of your movies to be further delayed or compromised by continuing to exclusively promote Bluray only.



We ask that you re-consider your decision to support only one format and add support for the HD DVD format to your announced releases.

Added On (2007-09-19):

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1,420 12 Mar 2008 - 1:59    Timothy Murphy : Keep them both alive. I own both and would like to see both blu-ray and HD stay alive. I admit that there are less issues with the HD DVD format, much less.
1,419 26 Feb 2008 - 4:25    Jason Bailey :
1,418 12 Feb 2008 - 21:59    William Hamann : I have bought, do buy, and will continue to buy ONLY HD-DVD as it is TRULY the best option for the consumer.
1,417 10 Feb 2008 - 0:59    Esteban Saboro : I won't buy Blu-ray Discs.
1,416 8 Feb 2008 - 15:29    Steven Compton : I have and will continue to purchase HD DVD movies, I will never purchase a BluRay disc. If HD DVD goes away, I will simple go back to regular DVDs and let my HD dvd player upscale them
1,415 1 Feb 2008 - 10:57    Michel de Coeyer : HD DVD is better than Blu-Ray in every way for the consumer and the movie studios.
1,414 31 Jan 2008 - 1:13    Felipe Maldonado :
1,413 30 Jan 2008 - 7:05    Claude Boily : HD DVD has a the most compatibility ratio for interactivy fonction example picture in picture, web acces, blu-ray player are not exept for ps3 and again 50% of buyers will use their consol a game center not for movie, left home player and only those of 3rd generation and up will be meaning only 25% of blu-ray user will be able to acces those, HD DVD player are the best option as the standard for everything was availaible from day one and that's the main reason that made Paramount to go HD DVD.
1,412 29 Jan 2008 - 17:25    Beau Johnson :
1,411 23 Jan 2008 - 5:34    Nick G :
1,410 23 Jan 2008 - 0:13    Nick Tabakis : Fox why won't you support HD DVD? It's cheaper and it has delivered on its technology to the consumers. HD DVD was released to consumers first and should stay with consumers.
1,409 22 Jan 2008 - 20:57    Logan Simmons :
1,408 22 Jan 2008 - 19:41    Andrew K :
1,407 22 Jan 2008 - 16:06    Scott Wouwenaar :
1,406 20 Jan 2008 - 12:15    Steve :
1,405 19 Jan 2008 - 19:18    sam hughes :
1,404 19 Jan 2008 - 11:34    N.Martin : Its a disgrace that corruption is deciding this HD war and not the consumer.sony controlling all content is the same as having a fox in charge of the hen house!
1,403 17 Jan 2008 - 1:38    Chris P :
1,402 16 Jan 2008 - 19:17    Chris De Raimo :
1,401 15 Jan 2008 - 16:48    Laurent Martin :
1,400 14 Jan 2008 - 14:19    David Roberts :
1,399 14 Jan 2008 - 2:32    Ryan Groom :
1,398 12 Jan 2008 - 0:23    Ronald Kuka :
1,397 10 Jan 2008 - 23:53    Bruce Turman : Keep HD DVD Alive
1,396 10 Jan 2008 - 4:43    Mike :
1,395 10 Jan 2008 - 1:10    Chris Hanson :
1,394 9 Jan 2008 - 23:36    Dennis Anderson : Since HD is a finished format and BluRay is going to take another 10 months to get the the same point I think it would be logical to release at least your best sellers in HD Format.
1,393 7 Jan 2008 - 2:04    Jason Ditz :
1,392 5 Jan 2008 - 18:58    Adam Chappell :
1,391 5 Jan 2008 - 15:37    Seth DuBois :
1,390 4 Jan 2008 - 8:00    bryan :
1,389 4 Jan 2008 - 6:39    Peter M Parker :
1,388 3 Jan 2008 - 15:51    Neil : please release in hd dvd
1,387 2 Jan 2008 - 22:11    Jake :
1,386 1 Jan 2008 - 22:05    Jamal : Please come to hd dvd
1,385 30 Dec 2007 - 20:30    Anthony R Gavin :
1,384 29 Dec 2007 - 23:28    Eric A : Don't hold back. Give us hd-dvd!
1,383 26 Dec 2007 - 20:52    Craig Coen :
1,382 22 Dec 2007 - 16:48    Warren Pattison :
1,381 20 Dec 2007 - 14:52    David Deas : look how much WB is making supporting both formats theire leading in HD sales by a huge margin.
1,380 18 Dec 2007 - 19:58    David Indita-Jones :
1,379 16 Dec 2007 - 1:16    Sarah Smith :
1,378 16 Dec 2007 - 0:27    David Barron :
1,377 15 Dec 2007 - 6:17    Clinton Fields :
1,376 12 Dec 2007 - 1:45    Cody Thomas :
1,375 11 Dec 2007 - 0:58    Cal :
1,374 10 Dec 2007 - 21:51    Ed Livian : Its the most practical decision for both the studios and consumers to go to HD-DVD.
1,373 9 Dec 2007 - 11:16    sigurd :
1,372 27 Nov 2007 - 8:11    wil :
1,371 24 Nov 2007 - 21:56    Pascal Leblanc :
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