I support this petition. They really need to ease up! I\'m scared that one of my stories may be targeted next! I\'m a pretty good writer myself, but I could always do better.
they should easy up, but i dont like it when some fics are just suck and have horrible grammar. but they should go taking EVERYTHING off. just the stuff that are bad, chainmail, shit, bad youfics. but this is just how i would like it, but everyone likes and hates what ffnet became this. :P w/e. EASYUP FFNet!
no publicly used site should have the right to say what we can or cannot post i mean one of our basic rights is freedom of speech!! we should be able to post what we what... within reason of couse and ff.n should have no control over that. is say power to the people both writers and readers.
Grammar's something you can improve so don't come complaining about how you suck and how they should be reasonable. I've met people who learnt English in three years and have just as good a grasp of grammar as anybody I know. There's proof that good grammar can be achieved, so go and work towards it. Writing isn't the only time you're going to use it, for God's sake. How do you expect people to understand you (say in a business situation) when you say things like "I seen" etc.? And for the person who wrote this petition - did you check it? I think I spot a few errors already. If you write like that, it's no wonder you want them to ease up, because I strongly suspect that what you write might not be worth reading anyhow.
Hey, seriously, Alexa - I can see that your grammar is horrible. Have you heard of full stops? You know, you're a good example for the fics out there that can't be understood. I mean, yeah, what you wrote was a huge mess, and there are a lot of things that a third-grader could have caught. If that's your normal standard then I can fully understand why you want FF.net to loosen up. However, I would like to point out that fics written with that standard are hard to read. And when something is hard to read, the entertainment value is gone. Also I would like to point out that you do have the basic right to write what you like, but getting your writings published is a privilege that you shouldn't take lightly. Be glad you even have it, and don't complain. With all that taken into account, I do agree somewhat that CYOAs should be allowed - if written in good, or at least reasonable English. Isn't being understood the whole point of writing?
seriously! i totally suck at grammer and it's one thing that sort of frightens me that my fic will get deletated just because i don't have all the correct grammer i mean i do try but still! i mean i can understand if it's a huge mess and theres's many things that even a thrid grader could have caught but it is getting out of hand! please loosen up on the grammer!
Ae amd Stell, you're just being stubborn. Relax a bit; not everyone scored full marks on last term's grammar quiz. I personally think that CYOAs should be allowed (they're fun, after all) but maybe they should keep their regulations on grammar and authors' notes or relax them just a little. After all, most of us don't want to be wading through loads of irrelevent stuff or trying to understand people who don't seem to know how to type. But the very idea of making Fanfiction.net like animespiral or allowing people to do original works there is risible. It's called *Fan*fiction.net for a reason. By the way, you can't really ever learn enough about anything, you know. So I agree with Ae - only in that "at least they're teaching you something" part. Live to learn! And read "I Found Your Diary" by Fiver. It's a great humor story, and proof that stuff with good entertainment value can be written in reasonable English, and story format at that.
I totally agree with Aerin. Personally, I feel that a story with bad grammar is pretty much comparable to a "relaxing" vocal concert generously sprinkled with screechy high notes. Put some work into writing, for heavens's sake. I know it's online, but that's all the more reason for you to put in effort because everyone will be reading it, not just your friends. About good literature: well, look at some of the published writers out there? Can you write like that? Will you ever be able to write like that? Do you want to be able to write like that? If you're not good enough, polish up. Life is one step after another. So's writing. There's no shortcut and no result without effort.
I can understand their standards. Firstly, if you hope to be taken seriously, you probably have to take your audience seriously as well. That means spellchecking, correcting your grammar to the best of your ability and not bothering them with language that shouldn't be existent in what one might later hope to call a good piece of literature. I understand there is some entertainment value in writing and reading what others write, but I would think that people would put some effort into their own work. After all, it is you that people are going to judge by it, correct? My view: Take a little pride in your work and maybe you won't find the regulations bothersome at all. I certainly haven't. In fact I thank them, because they have made my life considerably easier, i.e. I don't have to spend hours sifting through stories that are impossible to understand (that is, stories with 'you' and the chat format). It could just be me, but I appreciate the English language far too much to allow the cold-blooded butchering of it to continue. By the way, if you really have a problem with the regulations, why don't you just contact the administrator or something, instead of putting up a petition here? I doubt they have the time to search the Net and find out what some people think about their regulations. Oh, and if you want to post an original story, go to FictionPress. I just visited AnimeSpiral the other day and, guess what? The stories on Fanfiction.net are of (as a whole) better quality. If you need someone to push you in order to take pride in your work, don't complain. At least the regulations are forcing you to correct your bad writing habits and that way you get somewhere.
You're stubborn, Kai. It's understandable that they don't allow script format, but disallowing any form of interactive stories, is just retarded. They should be allowed, as they're very fun to read and write.
I support this petition 100%! *sign*
This site is by far the best i have seen yet, it holds numerous stories that I have yet to read. i have been inspired by these stories countless times which lead me to my own writing and sharing my own fics. PLEASE DO NOT SHUTU ANIMESPIRAL DOWN
I agree. Sites like these are for fanfictions, no matter how well made they are. Everyone makes mistakes, and in the fanfictions I read they are usually small things that you don't even notice. When I am reading them at least, I could care less about how good of grammar the author has. Just as long as I can understand the story itself.
Heh. I just signed another petition about how animespiral should be running. Isn't fanfiction about the freedom of speech?
Can you please allow us our basic rights?
I totally agree...some of theese major FF sites are getting waaaaaaay too strict. I have good grammar and everything, but stil...there were some really good stories on AnimeSpiral by authors that didn't have that good of a 'gammar thing' you know? But I really HATE that Animespiral keeps going down...if it didn't, well, I guess if it didn't, I wouldn't be signing this!!
I have some of the best grammer in my entiree school. I have better grammer than the teachers. But, I like Animespiral.com better. However, I wish it wasn't shut down all the frickin time! I don't even understand how to work it! BTW, how do you enter stories there? Oh, and ya'll should try Quizilla.com. They publish stories on there site. Sure, it's a little slow. But it doesn't crash every month and it's not impossible to work!
Honestly, I can understand both sides of this argument. Sure, the authors need to put in some effort but FF.net realy needs to lower its standards. If we could write like K.A. Applegate or J.K. Rowling, what would we need the frickin' sight for? If we were that good, we could publish our own work, for gosh sake! I think we need to reach some kind of compromise.
oohh you guys are soo right! so many rules there at FF.net. They don'y even allow A/n, whats up with that? I perferably like animespiral, but the site keeps crashin
I personally think fanfiction.net's rules are too lax, really. Seriously, if you can't take the time to check your spelling and grammar, you obviously are too busy to be writing a fanfic at all.
And for the person who claims chat format is easier to read than story format? Hundreds of years of literature, as well as quite a few English teachers, would disagree.
FF.net wont even let you do original stories like animespoiral does. besides...animespiral doesnt make you go through the whole grammar bit thing. animespiral just lets you put it on the site without losding it up form your harddrive. FF.net should go byebye. aniemspiral should be rocognized as a really awesome site
Indeed, FanFiction.net is WAY to strict. I created my account at FF.net because animespiral is getting shut down everyother month. I submitted my SAME work to ff.net as i did to animespiral and they DIDN'T EXCEPT IT. Because it was in chat format...even though it's easiest to read like that. They need to lay down...seriously. Not too much, but it's a huge site..WHO HAS TIME TO MONITOR ALL OF THESE STORIES!?
Ugh, retards. Nothing's wrong with Fanfiction.net. And these petitions are so freaking stupid. The moderators aren't going to read you're whining comments and suddenly decide to listen to you.
Writing like this:
Bob: Hi
Stacy: Hey!
Is what you think should be allowed?! NO FREAKING WAY! Then FF would have millions of crappy, spamming stories like that and would need to shut down! THAT’S WHY THEY’RE DELETING YOUR GODDAMNED FANFICTIONS! I’ve never seen one GOOD, QUALITY fan fiction deleted. Ever.
So stop complaining and put some EFFORT into them!
Yeesh.
-Kai-chan
Have you people heard of Anime Spiral? I'm csure you have if you hate FF.Net, anyway, it's a reallly good sit e but it's shutting down. All because of nOobs that post spam and stuff. FF.net on the other hand isn't. So, if you want a new site, find another one besides animespiral because it is SHUTTING DOWN! CRASHING! AND OTHERWISE SLOWING!!! *ahem* Pardon me. Anyway, I do agree that FF.Net should ease up abit.
I've been an author on the site for three years. I was fascinated with how user friendly it was. As time went on, however, they grew harsh. They're deleting stories that have good entertainment value. They deleted a story that had been up for three years, had gotten over five hundred positive reviews, JUST because the author thanked her reviewers and talked about them in the Author's Note. If you don't want to read the Author's Note, SCROLL DOWN.
I'm a writer of the site,and I think that they need to lighten up....ALOT! They have great ideas for the search engines, but they keep on deleting all the good formatting ideas. Who do they think they are, language teachers? I get enough of that at school! Why can't we write what we want to....the site is for fiction! Who cares what style it is in?!?! I know I don't! I would rather write in script form for humor stories...dialouge gets hard to write when all it is is:
"blah," he said.
"blah,"she replied.
get my point? Let's see how far this and other petitions go... I would add my name on the site...but they would probably delete my file or something....and then I would lose over 32 chapters....5 stories.
Whannnnnn!!!! I miss you anime spiral!!!! Please Come Back!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on!! Whannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnnnnn!
Ok so yeah it is getting out of hand. The rules are taking the fun out of the whole site. I had signed up a while back and since the rules changed, i havent been on since. I wont even bother myself to go there anymore. Animespiral is the place to post and read stories now. I LOVE U ANIMESPIRAL!!!!!!!!! But anyways its just boring their and if they change the rules a bit they might get their readers/writers back...might.
I think that some of the things they are doing is ok. Like the spelling. Come on, how can someone write a story and not spell a simple word correctly like the word ''the'' or ''which''? All you really have to do is use spell cheak or use a plain dictionary if your not sure. But most of the you/fics I read about are actually good. It's not fair to get rid of all of them. They could at least give the writer a chance to keep them up by their most reviews and rates they get. Or have them change the you's into a main characters name. All well, at least I still have animespiral. They are the best!
Fanfiction.net is really giong overboard with most of thier rules. All of my favorite Author's from there are gone. I also agree with Flower Girl. ( ^_^ You rock animespiral! )
The CYOA and insert you sites are just disappearing. FF.net's slogan is "unleash your imagination and free your soul". But writers are restricted from writing CYOAs and insert yous. It doesn't make sense.
I think it's up to ppl. if they want to read it then they do but its your choice to read it or not. The author always says if its between two guys or whatever pairing they want. Screw your petition because its a stupid cause. You should do something more meaningful with your time.
If you really hate FF.net then why not come to www.animespiral.com?
They allow anything.
And I agree with Flower Girl (^^ Yes I'm one of your readers) AS is one of the best fanfic sites I've ever been too, but then again I've been writing at AS for more than a year
If you really hate FF.net then why not come to www.animespiral.com?
They allow anything.
And I agree with Flower Girl (^^ Yes I'm one of your readers) AS is one of the best fanfic sites I've ever been too, but then again I've been writing at AS for more than a year
There is nothing wrong with half of the stories that they booted. I hate the new rating system, and I think that as long as a story is rated NC-17, it should be fine. FF.net is wayy to strict, thats why I switched to animespiral, they don't restrict writing.
I've been going to Fanfiction.net for a decade almost, and I've watched it go basically down hill. I can understand some of the changes for legal purposes but some of them are just too weird for words in the sense that they make no sense.
The new ratings are an odd change and hard to get used to and I'm not quite sure why the change.
But what really irk's me is the delectation NR-17, if its fan fiction, then why restrict it with such narrow boundaries to write with in? Half of my favorite stories were NR-17 and now I'm stuck with a lot of kiddy stories because a lot of the older and experience writers got fed up with having their stories booted off and left.
What next? Do away with R as well?
I can understand the motive behind it but your route to getting rid of the problem (ie.underage people reading it) wasn't the best course of action. There must have been away that you people (the people who run it) could have rigged it so that they don't get into it, like blockers of some sort or something.
Now I’m hearing something about no more song fic’s (where you insert lyrics of songs that you feel go with the story for those of you who are unsure what I mean). If they give credit to the people who own the song what’s so wrong with it? If they don’t honor it where its due then I can understand but more often then not people do tell you whether or not it’s theirs. I just don’t see the point of restricting it, I mean, how is it any different then writing fan fiction? Your using something that isn’t your own to get an idea out there and you’re owning up to it. Besides, half of my music archives are due to seeing interesting lyrics in stories so I later download them. What I’m saying is that its getting a lot of unknown artists out there more, one of those subliminal advertisements just like we see every day walking down some street.
Come on people, when are you going to draw the line? Or are you just going to keep cutting everything till no
You can't censor true writing. Censoring true writing, which is truely what they are doing, is just plain wrong. Censorship is a good thing for the young, but not alot of children (well none really under 10) go on Fan Fiction sites as it is, so why should we put of the censorship?! I mean, I can KINDA (but not really) understand why the people on FF-net would want to ban them...but still...and for the bad grammer thing, well, just use microsoft word, or word perfect or something, and you should have any mistakes. And if you really care about your writing, the you should be scanning it for errors, but yes people do make mistakes. FOAMY KICKS ASS!!!! (that was completely irrelavent, but true!!)
You know... ive been going to fanfiction.net for along time, much longer then i have been subscribed to it, and its gone completely down hill. You have to be 13 or older to join the site. So maybe it would be a better idea to let those who are subscribed to the site allowed to view NC-17 stories, but when you sign up you have to enter in your birthdate and if you are under 18 you are not allowed to view the nc-17 stories. But then we have the people who enter in false birthdates. So basically that ruins it for everyone. But ff.net should bring back those fics, but put some harsh retsrictions on them so little kids cannot get in or anyone under 18. But the main point is that ff.net needs to lighten up, because they are loosing so many people.
While I see their point as far as spelling and grammar goes (sorry guys) I don't agree with their tight control over what can and cannot go into our stories. Plus they should have the NC-17 rating. A lot of good writers have left because of it.
I actually pay for an account, yet I still have to watch myself and all of my friends and favorite writers are leaving and I'm liking it a lot less now.
(SeaSox here! ^^) Just a note to everyone! animespiral.com allows CYOAs, scripts, *twitch* lemons, graphic violence, and mostly anything! Even pictures!!!! It's the best fanfic site there is in my opinion! And you can review more than once, or twice, or three times! XD And if you're ever over there say hi. ^__^
Yeah, Fanfiction.net is really strict when it comes to CYOAs. So far I've tried to put up 3 CYOAs and they all got deleted. I just don't get it! All the people at www.animespiral.com love them!!! What's so bad about CYOAs!? *sigh* I mean . . . seriously . . .
I sign this petition, not because of the grammar issue (if you want to write, learn to spell), but rather because of their Nazi-esque policy of removing anything that people might find offensive. There's a fine line between protecting the users and censorship, and they crossed that line a long time ago.
Censorship is evil. The first amendment give us the right to say or write anything we want, even if some people disagree. Who are they to tell us how our muses are to work. Mine likes to include sex, graphic violence and words that we all use in everyday life. The world isn't clean and tidy, no matter how much we regulate it.
I think they help in some ways, because bad grammar really /does/ suck (unless if it's intentional), but sometimes they rid of the best things or stories. That makes it bad. So feh.
Yeah I totally agree. ff.net really need to ease up! And what's with the whole, "no script" sh*t? Believe me, I've seen pleeenty of them that they must have missed.
I love the cyoa's they took off no w i have to serch the whole net and i still cant find any cyoa's to read it's not fair they broght them down not everyone is afended by them and if you do them a certen way there leagle so ff.net has no right to take them i say bring back the cyoa's!
I Have to say I love CYOAs but ever FF.net took then off I have been enraged. E-fiction allows CYOAs but half the time that site is down. I want FF.net that trustworthy site that never breaks down to bring Cyoas back!
If FFN used to have cyoas on it then it is because they didn't know that it was going on in the first place. They said no interactive fics and cyoas are interactive. Please, let FFN free itself! Start your own website and let it become popular.
Just to reply to Vampy Neko-chan, to use FF.Net one is supposed to be thirteen and older. So if you are 12 then you probably shouldn't be on FF.Net. This rule, like the others, is an attempt to have more literate fanfiction as well as solving some legal issues. With regard to the English language, you've got it exactly right. Yes, people probably won't have flawless grammar. Yes, there are second-language writers. But, as you said, it's the TRYING that counts. I'm not perfect. You're not perfect. Your beta isn't perfect. But we try, and therefore we manage to write almost readable fanfic. It's the ones who DON'T bother to try that I feel should have their stories deleted from FF.Net, because if the content is just plain unreadable it's not worth the waste of Xing's bandwidth. ('Course, I-and most people-make allowances for non-native speakers.) It IS a crime, to the readers, to the FF.Net hosts, to oneself, and to the English language, to post something that comes under the heading of "offensive dreck that the 'writer' obviously cares nothing for". Of course...as you said, you have a right to write and even to start your own website. It's just that FF.Net has an equivalent right to ban badfic too. And, as a reader who supports goodfic and FF.Net, I take the view, "Go them".
Thanks for the site rec, I have checked it out only there doesn't seem to be any fic up there yet.
I never knew FF.net used to have CYOA stories in it. I would've loved to read them. And even though none of my stories have been deleted due to grammar errors, I still think it's wrong to delete someone's story just because it isn't good grammar-wise. Posting fanfiction is just for fun and is done solely for that purpose. It's not like we get money for that. So why throw people's work back in their faces if it's not good enough? FF.net should be a place where anyone can express themselves. Although I do see the sense in banning NC-17's on a site that anyone can access.
I disagree completely. Firstly, it is completely within the owners of FF.Net's rights to ban whatever they like, and it can't be argued that FF.Net is one of the biggest fanfic sites on the Internet and they are providing a service that lots of people love.
Secondly, second person stories (not storys) tend to be badly written, as do CYOAs and script formats. I completely sympathise, again. And I am in complete agreement with the "bad grammar" rule. Even if one doesn't have a grammar checker, one can easily download it off the Internet. Sure, most writers (myself included) probably have a FEW errors, but it is the writer's responsibility to get a beta, download a spelling checker, and make their fanfiction as readable as possible. If they couldn't be bothered to do that, then they SHOULD be banned, for crimes against the English language and the readers. The English language is a precious thing, people, we should respect it. In fact I wish the FF.Net rules were harsher, it would make for better fanfiction up there, but I suppose that is the price for being the inclusive archive that they are.
-Sarah, who uses FF.Net and likes it.
I agree completely with Mimi. Every single point. For those who are truly desperate, www.e-fiction.org allows CYOAs, and you get a pop-up before going on NC-17 fanfics. Over all it's a good site. Well anyways. What is their problem, deleting CYOAs? I admit I've worked harder on CYOAs than some of my other fanfiction. And as for grammar, I have continuously gotten straight-A's in it over the years, but we are humans here. Even I don't let grammar ruin stories I read and my life! So let the idiocy end!
In a way though...poor Fanfiction, look at all the petitions against it and it banning CYOAs. Well good for the petitions ;)
I can understand and support the upset over the banning of CYOAs. They are merely different perspectives for writing. If they are going to stop CYOAs and Insert U’s they should also ban First person too. In Fact maybe they should just close the site since they can’t decide what is proper literature and what is not.
The only thing in this petition that I don't agree with is the Grammar rule. I realize that people make mistakes. I’m no expert at the English language myself mind you but I try to do my best. Even in most every published book there are mistakes. When FF.net says it will be harder on Grammar, I believe they mean this to be applied to the way in which the whole of the story is written. Some of you out there must have come across one of those fanfiction’s with NO grammar what so ever. There are stories on FF.net that have no capitalization, no proper spelling and no punctuation. Since there are quite a few stories scribbled in this manner, I get the impression that the author doesn’t care. Furthermore stories of that nature are not at all entertaining to read. The people who write in such a fashion need help and there are plenty of places to get that help. I think FF.net may be just trying to increase the quality of the literature on the site. I don’t thing it was their intention to deprive people from posting their literary works.
In the case of the NC-17 fiction, I can agree with you to a certain point. There is a time and place for smut. If it is in a place that children, i.e. those way under 18, can get to it then I have a problem with it. A lot of children are not taught correctly about sex before they go out and try it. Being that a good number of the readers on FF.net ARE underage I feel taking NC-17 off the site was a reasonable idea. If Porn sites are protected than why not stop explicit sex on a very PUBLIC site such as FF.net. I’ll bet that it was the parents of said children caught reading these fics that called for the ban. Sorry people
Yeah, I mean people mkae mistakes and we learn from them not every one is perfect, they need to ease up just because they are a big fanfiction site doesn't mean they have to get big heads and make everything so hard!
CYOAs were the only fanfics that I was good at writting, believe me when I say that I've tried others, and they deleted them all! I rebelled, and wrote dozens of CYOAs, only to have them removed. Let's just hope many of the petitions I've seen and signed go through their thick heads!
OMG!! I totally agree!! CYOA's rock ass and FF.net is being mean about it!! I mean c'mon!! CYOA's not hurting anyone and they are fun! Besides!! They should get rid of the YAOI! Instead of concentrating on the fun CYOA's why not concentrate on the YAOI's!!
Hey, I'm a big Cyoa reader too. I, being a member of Fanfiction.net and Mediaminer.org, Love reading these kinds of stories. I sign this because i want to keep them going! I will email this to other writers to!
=Markz=
Ok CYOA's are very popular why take them off? And people are going to other fiction sites to post because of such strict guide lines. I think FF.net goes to far. Jess needs to sign. I am sending her this.
The CYOAs and Insert Us may be interaction, but u still cant deny the fact that its just written in a different perceptive!! It's called the second perceptive and its English! I do not believe that people won't f**king recognize them as REAL FICIONS!!!!
DOOD! YOU'RE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!!!!!!
AND MM.ORG IS DOING THIS TOO NOW!
Check out this site www.freewebs.com/silvrnfa lcon/ just ask the webmistress for permission,you're aloud to poast CYOA's there! Heck,it's a CYOA website!
^_________________^
LONG LIVE THE CYOA'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
