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Created by Edward Downer on June 6, 2006, 11:46 am

Dear Lions Gate.

We ask that you support the HD DVD Hi Definition disc by releasing titles to this format.

While we understand that you initially decided to support Bluray exclusively, the situation today is significantly different than promised a year ago.

HD DVD has successfully launched to market, but we believe that Bluray still has grave problems to overcome.

Given this situation, we feel you may lose sales if you only support Bluray.

1) HD_DVD players have shipped earlier (April 15th 2006) and are available at a much lower price ($500, vs $1,000 to $1,800 for Bluray players). This will ensure rapid adoption. Tens of thousands of players have already been sold and hundreds of thousands of movie titles have been purchased. The vast majority of users are pleased with their players. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670945


2) HD DVD delivers tremendous quality. The majority of the releases have been on 30 Gig Dual Layer discs, encoded in the VC1 video codec. Video and audio quality has surpassed even D-Theater tapes.


3) Conversely, Bluray does not seem to have solved some key manufacturing problems for Dual Layer discs yet, and will be launching their format, in June or July, on single-layer 25 Gig discs. Worse, they apparently will launch using Mpeg 2 on this smaller disc. We believe these factors may result in poorer Bluray quality at launch than HD DVD discs. Therefore, some users have chosen to buy only 1st Gen HD DVD players, but not 1st Gen Bluray players. Sony has stated that they feel 18 Mbps is the best data rate to run Mpeg 2 at http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1441&page_number=2


4) Online posts indicate that the first Bluray Single-disc releases may only be 20 Gigs, as they have reduced the size of the data layer, to reduce read problems at the outer edges of the disc and increase production yields. http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/topic/10/22837/


5) It is said in some forums that production yields on Bluray Single Layer discs may be only 33% to 50%. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7707846&&#post7707846 For Dual-Layer BD ROMs, it is said that the rejection rates in manufacture are currently between 60% and 75%. http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/4/emw377427.htm and http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7667705&&#post7667705


6)HD DVD player specifications mandate the inclusion of decoders for some of the newest “Advanced Audio Codecs”. As a result, HD DVD players include decoders for Dolby Digital Plus (DD+) and Dolby True HD (DTHD). They also include the ability to extract DTS streams from the new DTS-HD format. Therefore, HD DVD owners and users can enjoy advanced audio content of HD DVD releases on their home systems today, via HDMI, ****og and even SPDIF optical/coax (via legacy DTS recoding).


7) Conversely, Bluray player specifications do not require onboard decoders for these audio standards, instead only requiring legacy DD and DTS support. Therefore owners and users of 1st Gen Bluray players may not be able to enjoy these audio formats. Nor can these advanced audio streams be output from the first generation Bluray players to an external AVR for decoding, since these players do not have HDMI 1.3 connectors, which are required.


8) The upscaling of regular Standard Definition (SD) DVDs in these first HD DVD players has proven to be stunning. Many users are now buying the HD DVD players for that reason, so that they can continue to make the best of their existing SD DVD libraries until they have HD DVD libraries. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=672983&page=1&pp=30


9) In a poll taken before the HD DVD launch, potential DVD buyers expressed a strong interest in Hi Def players as their next purchase http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801


10) In addition, the audio circuits of the players appear to up-sample standard audio formats to 96/24, which provides great sound from CDs and DVDs also.


11) Conversely, not much is yet known about the legacy capabilities of the 1st Gen Bluray players, but it has been said on a few Audio Visual Forums that some cannot read standard CDs, including, apparently, Sony's. It is known from polls online that CD playback is important to prospective buyers of these players http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=661801


12) HD DVD has proven that they can produce “Hybrid” discs that have both HD DVD and SD DVD versions of the movies. This format is desired by consumers, according to a poll on a major A/V forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=660189


13) Conversely, Bluray has not been able to successfully manufacture a hybrid disc, and at least one company, JVC, is reported to have given up on their efforts to achieve this. It seems to remain a specification that only exists in theory, not practice.


14) According to a recent poll, buyers and potential buyers of both Hi Definition Disc formats, have mostly chosen to go with HD DVD in the first generation. Even where buyers are choosing to buy 1st Gen players from both formats, most are choosing to buy mainly HD DVD titles where possible, due to concerns about the quality of Mpeg 2 releases on smaller Bluray discs. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=677878&page=1&pp=30


15) Sony had assured many users that Bluray would be the better format and that it would win the format war on this count. We feel it has not delivered on the promise.



We ask that you re-consider your decision to support only one format and add support for the HD DVD format to your announced releases

Added On (2007-09-19):

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975 26 Feb 2008 - 4:26    Jason Bailey :
974 12 Feb 2008 - 21:58    William Hamann : I have bought, do buy, and will continue to buy ONLY HD-DVD as itisi TRULY the best option for the consumer.
973 12 Feb 2008 - 4:45    Brian Lichtman :
972 8 Feb 2008 - 15:28    Steven Compton : I have and will continue to purchase HD DVD movies, I will never purchase a BluRay disc. If HD DVD goes away, I will simple go back to regular DVDs and let my HD dvd player upscale them
971 31 Jan 2008 - 1:14    Felipe Maldonado :
970 29 Jan 2008 - 17:24    Beau Johnson :
969 29 Jan 2008 - 6:21    Ian :
968 26 Jan 2008 - 9:57    SAINT-AMAND :
967 23 Jan 2008 - 5:34    Nick :
966 23 Jan 2008 - 0:05    Nick Tabakis : Lionsgate please support HD DVD i enjoy all your films especially the Saw films and i would like to see them on HD DVD stop all this fighting. The market is big enough for both formats.
965 22 Jan 2008 - 20:55    Logan Simmons :
964 22 Jan 2008 - 16:06    Scott Wouwenaar :
963 20 Jan 2008 - 12:15    Steve :
962 19 Jan 2008 - 19:17    sam hughes :
961 19 Jan 2008 - 11:32    N.Martin : Its a disgrace that corruption is deciding this HD war and not the consumer.sony controlling all content, is the same as having a fox in charge of the hen house!
960 19 Jan 2008 - 6:41    Brian Rabinovitz :
959 17 Jan 2008 - 1:37    Chris P :
958 16 Jan 2008 - 19:19    Chris De Raimo :
957 15 Jan 2008 - 16:47    Laurent Martin :
956 14 Jan 2008 - 17:44    Robert Montano :
955 14 Jan 2008 - 14:17    David Roberts :
954 14 Jan 2008 - 2:32    Ryan Groom :
953 13 Jan 2008 - 6:30    Andrew Mendes :
952 12 Jan 2008 - 17:50    Bob Erlens : HD DVD ROCKS, You should SUPPORT IT!
951 12 Jan 2008 - 0:22    Ronald Kuka :
950 10 Jan 2008 - 23:52    Bruce Turman : Keep HD DVD alive
949 10 Jan 2008 - 4:42    Mike : I love HD-DVD and will back it to the bloody end.
948 10 Jan 2008 - 1:09    Chris Hanson :
947 7 Jan 2008 - 20:19    Justin :
946 5 Jan 2008 - 15:36    Seth DuBois :
945 4 Jan 2008 - 19:24    Eric A : Waiting for LOTR on HD-DVD!
944 4 Jan 2008 - 6:39    Peter M Parker :
943 4 Jan 2008 - 0:27    Adam Smothers :
942 3 Jan 2008 - 17:32    mike r. : come on the good side. you will make more money
941 2 Jan 2008 - 22:10    Jake :
940 31 Dec 2007 - 12:25    Dom : Please release in Hd-dvd
939 29 Dec 2007 - 23:35    Eric A : Don't hold back. Give us hd-dvd!
938 22 Dec 2007 - 20:04    Alex Jones :
937 22 Dec 2007 - 16:48    Warren Pattison :
936 18 Dec 2007 - 20:00    David Indita-Jones :
935 11 Dec 2007 - 0:57    Cal :
934 8 Dec 2007 - 22:09    Jocke :
933 8 Dec 2007 - 8:32    james mccarthy :
932 29 Nov 2007 - 22:15    Steven Walker :
931 23 Nov 2007 - 15:05    Jim Sponzilli : Please support HD DVD. It offers amazing quality, incredible features and a price that the average person can afford. I have a player for myself, and I've bought one for my brother-in-law for Christmas.
930 23 Nov 2007 - 2:23    Cody Thomas :
929 19 Nov 2007 - 3:09    Matt Bergman :
928 15 Nov 2007 - 20:31    Juil Sohng :
927 8 Nov 2007 - 3:08    Gary Manuel :
926 3 Nov 2007 - 1:18    Jared Lewandowski :
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