damnit i accidentaly clicked submit early.read first posting before this one. Like i was saying about re thinking, 1. motor power ,low displacement, reliable, fuel econemy. 2. Design the vehichle so that its stronger, lighter, and smaller. This allows for a vehichle to make the most out of its horsepower. after all this same concept has been in use in europe for almost a century. The best part about this concept is that when you increase horsepower in a smaller vehichle it is far more noticable than in a large car such as umm..... a muscle car. Thats exactly why that 120 horsepower honda would have a chance against your 500 hp crate motor. Now i am not saying that the honda would win the race but it would be a lot closer than the numbers would indicate. now lets make that a 280 hp honda and i think the results would most likely be diffrent. That would fair, a tuned honda vs. Crate V8. I am sure that you would bring tourqe into this if you could talk back. True hondas dont produc...